2008 Olympic Gold Medalists

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Sunday, August 22, 2010

Big Guy on the Big Court

Lots of speculation on how Phil would do on the big court. I have my opinion on that and will share it but first lets take a look at examples that would be applicable to Phil as well as go over his skillset and how that would apply to the big court. By the way, all of this is a moot point seeing as how the professional rules are short court, but I have a fair amount of time to kill here in Finland and figured I would exercise my brain a bit. Domestically speaking it is really a moot point as the more important issue is having a legitimate professional tour that will train American players to be in a position to get a Gold Medal at the Olympics.

First off, examples of players that can be used to somewhat compare Phil too from the big court era. There are a fair amount of them to choose from. I'll pick Pat Powers, Mike Dodd, Tim Hovland, Rob Heidger and of course Mike Whitmarsh. All 5 of these players were a tall 6'5 to a small 6'7. Phil is a small 6'9 for reference so he has all of them by 2 or 3 inches in height. All of these guys are pretty agile for their size and all of them tend to be of the skinnier variety so are not weighing in at 250 pounds. Much like Phil not weighing 200 pounds soaking wet. All of them were fairly successful on the big court and won multiple tourneys with the exception of Heidger. He never won an AVP event but did win a USAV event. PP won a dozen or so events and of course Whitty, Hov and Dodd are legends of the game. So moving on to Phil's skillset on any court, let's compare vs. what the 5 aforementioned players skillsets were on the big court.

Passing: Phil is a very under rated passer mostly due to the fact that I get served 90%+ of the balls. I can tell you that his technique is excellent from a coaches perspective and I think he would have been an absolutely dominating outside hitter on the indoor side of the game but that is another story. Compared to the 5 other guys, the only guy I would probably give the nod over Phil is MD. I would say Phil is a better passer than Heidger and PP with no question and about on the same level as Hov and Whitty. I realize that those guys had to pass more court than Phil currently does, but Phil grew up playing on the old school court as well. From a purely technical standpoint he ranks ahead of all of them in my book.

Setting: Have to look at this from two points of view if looking at it from the big court point of view. Clearly Phil has better setting hands than all 5 of these guys. Heidger would rank second and all the rest of the guys were basically bump setters. But you also have to look at it from a bump setting perspective as well. Right now, when Phil bump sets, he has to be exact since the court is smaller and I need a better set than most to sideout or score a point. I think his bump setting is actually pretty good. But, I think he would struggle the most with this skill to start off with. I would probably rank him ahead of PP but behind the rest of the guys. I know Whitty was an excellent bump setter as was Dodd. Probably the top two. Hov and Heidger were good bump setters as well.

Hitting and Shots: I think clearly Phil's hitting is better than all of them except maybe PP. I would rank him ahead of PP though as Phil's range is amazing. PP could hit the ball harder than Phil though. Heidger and Hov had wet noodles for arms and Whitty's wasn't much better. Dodd could hit a pretty pacey ball but I don't think he hit as hard as Phil. Shot wise Phil would have to get better for sure. He has an excellent deep line shot and an okay cut shot. He would probably have to develop a few more shots in his repertoire. Although I don't think PP had great shots nor did Whitty. Dodd and Heidger had good shots and Hov was solid as well.

Blocking: Phil is as good if not better than all of them. (Dodd blocked some but I see him as a great defender) Phil is clearly huge at the net. Probably bigger than all the other guys although I have seen pictures of PP and Whitty in their prime and they were way up there. Phil is also a very good reader as to whether the hitter is going to shoot the ball or hit the ball. Where Phil would suffer to start off with is pealing off the net. He worked hard on it this past year and is much better than he was. But I would put him way behind Whitty, Hov and Heidger. Can't speak for PP on this one. I do believe that with a year or two of practice and games where he is working on dropping off the net, that he would be on par with those other guys. Dropping off the net is athleticism and Phil has a lot of it just like those other guys.

Serving: Only PP had a great arm and ability to bang a jump serve out of all 5 of the guys mentioned. Hov, Whitty, Dodd and Heidger all had below average jump serves. Phil would be above all 4 of those guys and I know his touch from the service line and ability to spot the ball is really good on the little court so I would imagine it would be even better on the big court.

Others:
Defense - Phil is pretty quick and light on his feet and I think he could play defense behind a block pretty well. Give Dodd a pass on this one since he is one of the greats at defense. I think he would be better than Heidger and PP for sure. Whitty never played much so tough to say but he was the last guy cut on an NBA team so you know he is athletic as all hell. It pains me to say it, but Hov was a ridiculous athlete so I am sure his defense is pretty damn good and I would give him the nod over Phil.
Transition Setting: Give all of these guys the nod over Phil for now. Much like bump setting, it is something you have to do over and over again. Phil is pretty good but there just are not as many opportunities to bump set in the current game. If Phil got his hands on the ball then clearly he is way better than all the rest. I think he would quickly catch up though with a year under his belt.

Don't think I forgot anything unless you want to go to the intangibles like mental toughness ect... Don't think I want to go there so will leave it alone. End result for me is I don't think Phil would be as dominant on the big court as he is on the smaller court, but I do think he would immediately be one of the best players and within a year or two of playing exclusively on the big court I would rank him in the top 3. His athleticism is NBAesque and certainly on par with any of the 5 guys I mentioned.

8 comments:

UmassJSP said...

Great article Todd. I was thinking the other day what would happen if Phil showed up at the USA Indoor team practice and said "need anyone?" Would he even make the squad? And could a guy go to the Olympics and play on both the sand and hard court...that would be cool. Anyway I like all the points in your story about Phil and the comparisons to the dinosaurs who used to roam the sand. I got up and watched the Finland Final this morning and Phil has an "intangible" to step up when you need it most. It is like in the 3 Stooges episode where Curly isn't doing anything and then he sees a tassel and goes nuts and has to be subdued. Today Phil wasnt doing much of anything and then in set 3 he has two HUMONGOUS blocks and you guys win. Everytime you think the well is dry and he cant do it again...he does it. The only argument I would have about Phil on the big court with sideout scoring is the endurance factor. Whitmarsh made many trips from the sand to the hospital with dehydration. Serving and running to the net in sideout scoring on the bigger court brings the element of physical exhaustion into play. But we will never know.

A couple points on Finland. The last 2 medal ceremonies one Brazilian doesnt remove his lid during the Star Spangled Banner. Not sure if that is premeditated but the other 5 players take theirs off. The other thing I notice is that the Brazilian teams lack a mental toughness. The one guy served out twice in the 3rd set and his partner finally turned aroung with a huge "WTF!!!!". Then with you guys having 4 Championship points they serve Phil and he hits the ball 3 feet out to bring Brazil back within 2. Phil had to be biting his nails saying "Oh S**T!. So what do the Brazilians do? Serve Todd. Marlowe and Sunderland would have fallen out of the booth. Maybe they need a coach but this Brazilian team and the one in Norway both seem to lack the focus required to take advantage of certain situations that can turn silver into gold.

Congratulations on a fantastic season. I cant believe it is over. You set a record for FIVB medals, set a record for FIVB cash with $380 Large and had a DiMaggio like 34-0 streak in AVP matches. If I told you this back in January you would have had me put in a straight jacket. It has been great following you guys and enjoy the off season with your family to the fullest. Scott

Steele said...

Todd, you obviously know Phil's abilities better than anyone, but having seen some of the ridiculous plays he makes (think finals of the 2008 AVP in Santa Barbara, for example), I wonder if your familiarity makes you underestimate him. Or maybe you just want to motivate him!

Drew said...

Thanks for the thought-provoking article, Todd. I have wondered about Phil on the big court a number of times, and have always come to the conclusion that it wouldn't slow him down much, if at all. His skillios, amazing quickness and his endurance (you never see him gassed) would translate just fine to the big court.

Kudos to you Scott, for your points and sentiments. I agree with all of them. I'd like to add-on to what you said about Phil stepping-up in the clutch. I've always been amazed by that, starting with that dribbler serve in the Manhattan versus Lambo/Stein, then the comebacks in the Olympics, and then coming out ahead in the 3rd set pretty much every time this year. The only team I can think of that compares to you guys in-terms of clutch play is the Bulls with Jordan that year they only lost 10 games.

I always hate to see the Beach season end, and given the way it ended this year I have a hollow pit in my stomach. The silver, er... gold lining was following your awesome season and looking forward to next year and your run up to the 2012 Olympics.

I bet you're looking forward to staying on American soil for awhile and hanging out with your family.

All the best, and thanks for the blogging and inspiring play.

Drew

Unknown said...

Todd,

Thank you for the thoughtful writing... it is so rare to see thoughtful critical commentary from professional athletes these days. More common is Rasheed Wallace's "Both teams played hard."

Chris

Anonymous said...

DID ANYONE SEE THIS!?... UniveralSports.com FIVB Aland 1st Set (1:55 on video) Todd Rodgers serves 18 to 19 Brazil leading. Ricardo sets Marcio tight and Phil Dalhauser "VERY CLEARLY" over the net blocks the set on Brazil's side. The Refs don't call it! And Marcio looks puzzled but doesn't argue the call. Announcer states Marcio touches the net but I don't see it and if he did it was "after" Phil was over blocking. That would of made the score 18 to 20 with set point for Brazil. Would of been a different game. I'm shocked Marcio didn't challenge the ref. I called this justice after the infamous "4 hits" off a joust from Phil that Todd argued. Started rooting for Brazil when Todd just would not let it go. Even after the game (2:42 time stamp) Todd still couldn't let that call go after winning Gold talking to some FIVB person. The ref clearly made 2 bad calls he's human. 1st for the Brazilians and then for USA. It actually equaled out.

Unknown said...

I think Phil would have been pretty dominant on the big court. A lot of Phil's jump serves are barely out on the small court. Give him about 6 more feet and....
I also think that you and Phil would have been pretty good playing with the old rules and would have won your share of tournaments. It would be interesting to see how you would have done against the Karch/Kent and Smith/Stoklos on the big and small courts.

In the Aland tourney, in regular speed, it looked like contact was almost simultaneous on that play. On the replay, it was very clear that Phil reached over and touched the ball before Marcio. The call in the second game was just as bad so yeah...two bad calls evened out.
And I don't know who this FIVB English speaking announcer is but on one play, Phil set Todd too tight and Todd was clearly going for hands that weren't there and practically hit it into the crowd and the announcer said something to the effect of...Todd mistimed it or hit it too hard. These are times you wish for Marlowe/Sundy and Geeter.

UmassJSP said...

If you people want to analyze and dissect the calls in the Finland final look in set 2 where Phil got called for a throw on the set. Then a point or two later the Brazilian guy clearly throws the ball up to the net and the ref swallowed the whistle.

If you are on Twitter follow @hanstolfus he has some good beach vb stuff. Geeter is @geeter3

Todd Rogers said...

Guys- Give Phil a year to train on the big court and I think he would be great. I have said before and say again that he is an NBA caliber athlete on the sand. Would he be better than say, Rosy though? Bombing your jump serve and running up to the net is not easy and doing it on the old court is even tougher. Easier to split block with your partner. Kent/Karch's ball control was pretty silly back in the day. Dax and I played them and could sideout with them but struggled to get points unless it was off aces. Good food for thought.